Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

02/09/2010 05:15 PM House ECON. DEV., TRADE & TOURISM


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05:20:31 PM Presentation: Port Mackenzie Railroad Extension
07:12:00 PM Adjourn
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+ Port MacKenzie Railroad Extension TELECONFERENCED
Guest Speakers: Rick Mystrom, Former
Mayor of Anchorage; John Duffy, Borough
Manager, Matanuska-Susitna Borough;
Pat Gamble, Chief Executive Officer,
Alaska Railroad; Dr. Paul Metz and
Dr. Steve Colt, University of Alaska
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INTERNATIONAL                                                               
                       TRADE AND TOURISM                                                                                      
                        February 9, 2010                                                                                        
                           5:19 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jay Ramras, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom                                                                                                  
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Senator Linda Menard                                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  PORT MACKENZIE RAILROAD EXTENSION                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RICK MYSTROM, Economic Development Advisor                                                                                      
Matanuska-Susitna Borough; Consultant                                                                                           
Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARR)                                                                                               
American Multiplex                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a presentation on the Rail Extension                                                                
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAT GAMBLE, President and CEO                                                                                                   
Alaska Railroad Corporation                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Assisted with  the Rail  Extension Project                                                             
presentation and answered questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DUFFY, Borough Manager                                                                                                     
Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                                                                       
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave a  presentation  on the  Southcentral                                                             
Rail  Extension Project  and discussed  growth in  the Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PAUL METZ PhD, DIC, P.G., Director                                                                                              
Mineral Industry Research Laboratory                                                                                            
University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Gave  a  presentation   titled  "Mineral                                                             
Occurrences  and  Potential Sources  of  Freight  for the  Alaska                                                               
Railroad Extensions - Port MacKenzie to the Canadian Border."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEVE COLT, Associate Professor of Economics                                                                                    
University  of Alaska  Anchorage  (UAA) Institute  of Social  and                                                               
Economic Research (ISER)                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave  a presentation  titled, "Benefit-Cost                                                           
Assessment of the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JOE PERKINS                                                                                                                     
Perkins Consulting                                                                                                              
Douglas, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the Pail Extension                                                             
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DAVE TALERICO, Mayor                                                                                                            
Denali Borough                                                                                                                  
Healy, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the Rail Extension                                                             
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BOB LACKER, Vice President                                                                                                      
Business Development                                                                                                            
CH2MHILL                                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the Rail Extension                                                             
Project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAY RAMRAS  called the House Special  Committee on Economic                                                             
Development, International Trade and  Tourism meeting to order at                                                               
5:19  p.m.  Present  at  the  call to  order  was  Chair  Ramras.                                                               
Representatives Tuck  and Neuman  arrived as  the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.   Also present were  Senator Menard  and Representative                                                               
Stoltze.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Port MacKenzie Railroad Extension                                                                               
        Presentation:  Port MacKenzie Railroad Extension                                                                    
5:20:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS  announced  the first  order  of  business                                                               
would  be a  presentation on  the Port  MacKenzie Rail  Extension                                                               
project by Rick  Mystrom, the former mayor of  Anchorage, and Pat                                                               
Gamble.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:20:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK  MYSTROM,  Economic Development  Advisor,  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough; Consultant, Alaska  Railroad Corporation (ARR), informed                                                               
the committee  he is working  on behalf of  the Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough and  the Alaska  Railroad Corporation  (ARR), co-sponsors                                                               
of the  Port MacKenzie Railroad  Extension project.   He prefaced                                                               
his remarks by  calling attention to the three times  in the past                                                               
30  years  of Alaska's  history  when  state government  and  the                                                               
legislature have  had the need,  or the opportunity, to  help the                                                               
economy.    Firstly,  in  1981,  after  the  loss  of  jobs  from                                                               
completion  of  the  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline  System  (TAPS),  the                                                               
legislature  and the  Hammond  Administration  created a  program                                                               
that gave $1,000  per citizen per year, for three  years, to each                                                               
community for capital  projects.  Secondly, in  1986, the economy                                                               
was down  again, but  the state  pulled back  to save  money thus                                                               
creating a depression,  and right now is  the "third opportunity,                                                               
or the  third time of need."   He opined the  economy is starting                                                               
to go down; however, that is the  time for the state to invest in                                                               
infrastructure and projects  that create jobs.   Mr. Mystrom then                                                               
began  his presentation  on the  rail extension  project and  its                                                               
economic  benefits  to  Anchorage, Mat-Su,  Denali  Borough,  and                                                               
Fairbanks;  he  called this  area  the  "central Alaska  regional                                                               
economy."   Because  this  is the  time  of economic  uncertainty                                                               
about  the  economy,  energy availability  and  costs,  gas  line                                                               
construction,   the   future   of  TAPS,   the   Small   Business                                                               
Administration  contracting  program  for  Native  business,  and                                                               
explorations in  the Chukchi  and Beaufort Seas,  it is  also the                                                               
time  for the  state  to think  about infrastructure  investment.                                                               
Known for certain are two things:   Alaska's economy is not fully                                                               
diversified,   and   there   is    a   lack   of   transportation                                                               
infrastructure that  is needed  to promote  economic development.                                                               
Mr.   Mystrom   advised   that  the   major   solution   to   the                                                               
transportation infrastructure problem is  the rail extension from                                                               
Port MacKenzie to the mainline of the ARR.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM  displayed slide 4  of the presentation  titled "Rail                                                               
Extension  Project:   Economic  Benefits  to  the Central  Alaska                                                               
Regional Economy,"  that was  a map  of the  three options  for a                                                               
rail  extension  from  Port  MacKenzie   to  the  mainline  under                                                               
consideration by  the U.S.  Department of  Transportation Surface                                                               
Transportation Board.   The  three options are:   a  line passing                                                               
near Big Lake; one of two lines  to Houston; or a line to Willow.                                                               
A decision from the transportation board is due in March.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE asked which option was best.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:27:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MYSTOM  opined the  Houston  option  was best;  however  the                                                               
federal government  will make the  choice based  on environmental                                                               
issues.  He  then itemized what the rail extension  would mean to                                                               
the  regional economy:   (1)  opens up  the Interior  to resource                                                               
development;  (2) facilitates  the development  of a  world class                                                               
limestone   deposit  in   Livengood  north   of  Fairbanks;   (3)                                                               
facilitates the development of a  cement production facility near                                                               
Fairbanks;  (4)  opens  up  a   development  corridor  along  the                                                               
Railbelt  to  the exploration  and  extraction  of minerals;  (5)                                                               
improves the  transportation of lower-cost  fuel to  Interior and                                                               
Southwest  Alaska; (6)  improves  the  competitiveness of  Alaska                                                               
coal and  other aggregate minerals;  (7)   reduces transportation                                                               
and  staging  cost for  construction  of  the gas  pipeline;  (8)                                                               
increases employment  in the Mat-Su, Denali,  and Fairbanks North                                                               
Star Boroughs, and Anchorage.   Mr. Mystrom advised that the rail                                                               
extension  will have  the aforementioned  impacts  because it  is                                                               
working together  with Port  MacKenzie.   He explained  that Port                                                               
MacKenzie is a bulk commodities  port, not a consumer commodities                                                               
port  like  the Port  of  Anchorage;  therefore, it  complements,                                                               
instead  of  competing  with,  the  Anchorage  port  because  the                                                               
Anchorage port does not have  sufficient space to stage aggregate                                                               
shipments.   In  fact,  Port  MacKenzie has  9,000  acres, or  14                                                               
square  miles, of  industrial zoned  land that  does not  compete                                                               
with housing  or commercial  zoning.  Slide  12 showed  that Port                                                               
MacKenzie has a 60 foot mean  low tide that can accommodate ships                                                               
that cannot  get into the  Port of Anchorage;  furthermore, there                                                               
is no dredging required.   In response to Representative Stoltze,                                                               
he estimated the dredging costs  in Anchorage are $13 million per                                                               
year to the federal government.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:32:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM advised  although the Port of  Anchorage will "always                                                               
be the most important port  in Alaska," Port MacKenzie can handle                                                               
panamax  vessels that  traverse  the Panama  Canal, and  capesize                                                               
vessels that are too big for  the Panama Canal.  In addition, the                                                               
port is designed to handle  barges carrying bulk commodities such                                                               
as  minerals,  coal,  and  aggregate.   Slide  15  displayed  the                                                               
planned  construction of  the  barge dock  expansion  area to  be                                                               
completed  this summer.   Further  work  to accommodate  tractor-                                                               
trailer truck  loading and unloading is  permitted and "ready-to-                                                               
go."   Mr. Mystrom asked Pat  Gamble to describe the  function of                                                               
the rail loop displayed on Slide 17.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  GAMBLE,  President  and CEO,  Alaska  Railroad  Corporation,                                                               
explained  that when  the  railroad is  hauling  bulk cargo  like                                                               
gravel, the  preferential way  to approach  the cargo  and depart                                                               
the area  "is to come  in head-in, load, and  head back out.   We                                                               
don't do that  in the Port of Anchorage, we  break the train up."                                                               
Moving  the train  in parts  and pieces  is very  inefficient; in                                                               
fact,  with  a  loop  track   like  the  one  designed  for  Port                                                               
MacKenzie, the entire train can off-load almost simultaneously.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:35:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM  encouraged the  committee to  think about  how cost-                                                               
effective  it would  be  to  transport all  of  the minerals  and                                                               
products  from  the  Mat-Su, Denali,  and  Fairbanks  North  Star                                                               
Boroughs south and  back.  Slide 18 displayed  the potential pipe                                                               
storage and  staging area  available to the  Port.   He described                                                               
the indirect shipping  procedure for pipe currently  going to the                                                               
Liberty  Mine on  the North  Slope,  and the  potential for  cost                                                               
savings by shipping  pipe from Japan directly  to Port MacKenzie.                                                               
Slides  19-21  displayed  various construction  projects  in  the                                                               
surrounding area.   Slide 22 displayed the M/V Susitna  that is a                                                               
new   ice-breaking   ferry   currently  under   construction   in                                                               
Ketchikan.   He said the  ferry will  be christened in  March and                                                               
in-service by April of 2011.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:38:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS announced the  upcoming hearing with Alaska                                                               
Ship &  Drydock, Inc.   He described  various aspects of  the M/V                                                               
Susitna.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:38:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE   expressed  his  trepidation   over  the                                                               
management of the ferry.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:39:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM displayed  slide 28 that showed the  ferry route from                                                               
Kenai  to  Anchorage,  Port  MacKenzie, and  Tyonek.    Slide  29                                                               
displayed  the  recently  constructed   ferry  terminal  at  Port                                                               
MacKenzie.  Slide 33 displayed  the estimated number of jobs that                                                               
would be created by the  project: 3,000 construction related jobs                                                               
from  2010-2013; 500  Port  MacKenzie  construction related  jobs                                                               
from 2010-2013; 4,000  private sector mining jobs  along the rail                                                               
line; 3,500 industrial  development jobs in Port  MacKenzie.  The                                                               
job estimates  were provided by  HDR, Inc. and the  UAA Institute                                                               
for Social and  Economic Research (ISER).  Mr.  Mystrom turned to                                                               
the  status of  the  rail  extension project  and  said that  $10                                                               
million has  been spent  on the  environmental impact  study that                                                               
will  be available  in March.   Presently,  $17 million  is being                                                               
spent on  the construction of  the loop; however, $57  million is                                                               
now needed  from the state to  keep the project going.   Finally,                                                               
completion of the  project will cost an  additional $175 million,                                                               
for a total of $225 million.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:41:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAMRAS   asked  Representative  Stoltze   in  his                                                               
capacity  as a  Co-Chair of  the House  Finance Committee,  "What                                                               
could  be more  important to  this region  than including  in the                                                               
state's capital budget, $57 million for this project?"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:42:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE suggested  the  administration should  be                                                               
asked  why this  project  was not  included in  the  base of  the                                                               
capital  budget.    He  opined  this  project  is  unique,  would                                                               
diversify the  Mat-Su economy, and  would tie the  economic units                                                               
of the  region together; in  fact, support for this  project even                                                               
comes from  communities outside  the region.   He has  heard that                                                               
the railroad  sometimes has a  loss of  revenue, but that  is the                                                               
only "negative."   Representative  Stoltze said he  was "baffled"                                                               
that  this  project  was excluded  from  the  governor's  capital                                                               
budget as  the budget  did include  projects with  less statewide                                                               
impact.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS asked Representative  Neuman to address the                                                               
opportunities for resource development in the area.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    NEUMAN    said   the    resource    development                                                               
opportunities go to  the export of coal and other  minerals.  The                                                               
expansion  of  the  port   itself  could  include  gas-to-liquids                                                               
facilities  and tank  farms to  help distribute  Alaska resources                                                               
around the  world.  Port MacKenzie  is a key component.   He said                                                               
he would  compare the  cost of this  project with  other programs                                                               
that  are spending  money on  capital projects,  but the  highest                                                               
priority  is  for  capital  projects   that  create  further  job                                                               
opportunities for Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:45:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked whether this presentation  has been brought                                                               
forward to  the governor;  actually, others may  not be  aware of                                                               
"how far this project has moved along."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:46:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM  advised the  governor had seen  the first  stages of                                                               
the presentation.   He said the governor had no  objection to the                                                               
project; however,  the capital  budget was  already going  to the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE observed  the  governor  has suggested  a                                                               
capacity of  $100 million worth  of add-ons from  the legislature                                                               
and this  project would be "a  60 percent bite for  just the Mat-                                                               
Su."                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:47:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MYSTROM  acknowledged it is  difficult to explain  to someone                                                               
outside the region why it is best  for this amount of money to go                                                               
to  one  region.   He  compared  spending  $225 million  on  this                                                               
project  to an  equal  amount put  in  the Constitutional  Budget                                                               
Reserve (CBR); the  money put in this project  could create 3,500                                                               
jobs beginning right away, but the  same amount in the CBR "might                                                               
get an extra job  and a half for an account  ... money manager in                                                               
New York."  He then asked, "Which is best for Alaska?"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:49:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD encouraged  the presenter  to make  this argument                                                               
before the governor.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:50:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  suggested that the presentation  should be                                                               
put  on  the  calendar  again  in  early  April  when  the  final                                                               
decisions are being made.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:51:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAMBLE turned  to the subject of the operational  cost of the                                                               
project.   He stressed  that once  the track  is built,  unlike a                                                               
road, the state does not have to  maintain it as ARR crews do the                                                               
maintenance  on the  infrastructure.   The ARR  has compared  the                                                               
cost of a train going to  Seward with one going to Port MacKenzie                                                               
with a specific load, but it  did not include the analysis of the                                                               
volumes designed  to move  bulk minerals to  large ships.   These                                                               
products are  purchased in bulk  and "when you start  adding that                                                               
bulk  up,  and   the  number  of  trains,  and   the  cycle  time                                                               
improvement that  you get ...  you're starting to talk  some real                                                               
money."  This would enable the  railroad to turn that profit back                                                               
in as  capital investment; in  fact, the mission of  the railroad                                                               
is  economic   development  and  he  gave   examples  of  capital                                                               
improvements  in  which the  railroad  has  invested millions  of                                                               
dollars.   Mr. Gamble  imagined the  state and  legislature would                                                               
look  at this  worthwhile project  not as  an expense,  but as  a                                                               
super-investment to get  the kind of customers  and business that                                                               
the state government wants.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE expressed  his belief  that opening  this                                                               
area is also a benefit for other regions of the state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS observed  that the transportation committee                                                               
and the full  Chamber of Commerce in Fairbanks  have endorsed the                                                               
rail extension.   He then asked Mr. Gamble for  the impact on the                                                               
rail extension if the port is not completed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:55:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAMBLE opined  this is an opportunity to design  the area for                                                               
its  potential customers  and customize  the approach,  dock, and                                                               
off-load capability  for handling Alaska's mineral  products.  He                                                               
remarked:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Driving  down to  the edge  of the  bluff and  then not                                                                    
     being able to deliver it  to that largest ship that you                                                                    
     saw  ... wouldn't  work....   It's a  system, and  that                                                                    
     part  of  the  system  being incomplete  would  ...  be                                                                    
     problematic.  You  would still be able  to move things,                                                                    
     but at  very small  volumes, and  not at  anywhere near                                                                    
     the potential."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:57:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAMBLE,  in response to  Chair Ramras, assured  the committee                                                               
that  growing the  port can  improve Alaska's  connection to  the                                                               
rest of  the Pacific Rim; however,  when the port is  marketed to                                                               
customers, it must  be ready to produce huge  volumes of Interior                                                               
resources for a foreign customer.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:59:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   DUFFY,   Borough   Manager,   Matanuska-Susitna   Borough,                                                               
displayed a map  that illustrated the location  of Port MacKenzie                                                               
in  the Mat-Su  Borough.    He opined  that  although the  Mat-Su                                                               
Borough covers 25,000  square miles, Anchorage and  Mat-Su are in                                                               
one regional  economy which  is connected to  the Interior.   Mr.                                                               
Duffy  informed   the  committee  that  the   Mat-Su  Borough  is                                                               
exceeding forecasted high growth  rates and displayed slides from                                                               
a  presentation titled  "Southcentral Rail  [Extension] Project,"                                                               
that showed  the changes brought  about by  adding transportation                                                               
infrastructure  to various  areas  over a  20-year  period.   The                                                               
growth rate in the borough has  been about 4 percent for the last                                                               
10 to  15 years, and is  at 2.5 percent  to 3 percent today.   He                                                               
predicted  that  the  population  will double  by  2019  and  the                                                               
borough needs to have economic  opportunities for everybody.  Mr.                                                               
Duffy displayed slides of new  schools and other capital projects                                                               
in  the borough.   In  response to  Senator Menard,  he confirmed                                                               
that the  schools shown  are the first  Leadership in  Energy and                                                               
Environmental Design (LEED) high school  and middle school in the                                                               
state, and both were built ahead of schedule and under budget.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:02:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  asked for the number  of construction jobs                                                               
in the area and what percentage are local hire.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:03:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUFFY said  there are approximately 325 jobs and  there is 98                                                               
percent local employment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   MENARD   expressed   her   appreciation   for   [Neeser                                                               
Construction, Inc.].                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS agreed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:04:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUFFY  then  turned  attention   to  the  Southcentral  Rail                                                               
Extension  and  explained that  the  rail  extension will  "work"                                                               
because it is connecting to  the northern-most deep-draft dock in                                                               
North America.   It is  also the only  place in Alaska  with room                                                               
for a  100 car rail  loop adjacent  to tidewater deep  enough for                                                               
capesize vessels.   To  expand on  the previous  presentation, he                                                               
noted  that  the land  is  zoned  for commercial  and  industrial                                                               
development  and  the  borough   owns  title  to  the  tidelands.                                                               
Furthermore, the barge  dock expansion to the  deep-draft dock is                                                               
fully permitted  and will be  built with economic  stimulus funds                                                               
beginning in  March and completed  in October; in fact,  the dock                                                               
will operate  year-around and ice  is not  a problem.   Mr. Duffy                                                               
turned  to  the subject  of  the  M/V  Susitna and  reminded  the                                                               
committee that  it was  the Mat-Su Borough,  one of  the partners                                                               
building the  ship along  with the Office  of Naval  Research and                                                               
[Alaska Ship &  Drydock], that required that the  ferry was built                                                               
in Alaska.  He displayed slides  that showed the operation of the                                                               
car barge and said  when the car barge is down,  the vessel has a                                                               
draft of four  feet which allows it  to load on the  beach.  When                                                               
the  car barge  is up,  the vessel  operates as  a catamaran  and                                                               
travels at  a speed of  35 knots.  The  M/V Susitna is  the first                                                               
ice-breaking catamaran in the world.   Mr. Duffy continued to the                                                               
discussion  of the  Southcentral Rail  Extension and  displayed a                                                               
slide  that  showed  the  Environmental  Impact  Statement  (EIS)                                                               
corridors and  repeated several slides  that were  shown earlier.                                                               
He pointed out  the construction of the rail loop  is in progress                                                               
because  it is  outside the  boundaries of  the EIS.   Additional                                                               
slides displayed  the borough's visions of  off-loading coal from                                                               
a train to ships, and loading cement for export.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE  asked for a  description of how  the cost                                                               
of cement can change the economics of construction.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:10:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUFFY  affirmed that  cement  has  been imported  into  Port                                                               
MacKenzie from China and that has  lowered the price of cement in                                                               
the market in Southcentral by "several million dollars."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  related  some  of  the  history  of  the                                                               
funding and support for the rail extension.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:11:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUFFY continued  to say  that  the rail  extension also  has                                                               
national security  significance because  the large  lay-out areas                                                               
allow military  equipment to  be loaded  onto ships  very quickly                                                               
without lightering.   He reviewed other benefits  of the project:                                                               
$533  million in  transportation  savings to  the  state over  20                                                               
years; a benefit cost ratio of  1.9:1; benefits to the state from                                                               
new mines;  and $6.3 billion  in state  revenue.  Mr.  Duffy said                                                               
the  project is  an answer  to the  dwindling oil  fields on  the                                                               
North Slope.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:13:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  asked for  details on the  estimated state                                                               
revenue and gross metal value.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:13:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUFFY explained that the  gross metal value is estimated over                                                               
a  30-year period  and the  state  revenue estimate  is based  on                                                               
projected  royalties, corporate  income taxes,  permit fees,  and                                                               
permanent  jobs.   In response  to Chair  Ramras, he  agreed that                                                               
this   is  the   foundation  necessary   to  build   communities.                                                               
Additional benefits  include:  cost  savings on  the construction                                                               
of the  natural gas pipeline  and the  benefit of $61  million to                                                               
$737  million per  year for  100  years from  the development  of                                                               
Interior  resources.   Turning  to the  subject  of rail  project                                                               
scheduling, he said the project  is almost complete with Phase 2,                                                               
and is  need of  $57 million to  continue on with  Phase 3.   Mr.                                                               
Duffy concluded his presentation by  noting that 2013 remains the                                                               
scheduled completion date for the project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:15:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS praised the worthiness of the project.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:16:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD thanked the presenter.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:16:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  observed that  the  two  cheapest means  of                                                               
transportation  worldwide  are water  and  rail.   In  fact,  the                                                               
railroad is  the veins  and vessels of  the U.S.  economic system                                                               
and part of the reason the U.S.  is a superpower.  He opined that                                                               
Alaska  needs  to  benefit  from   its  resources;  however,  his                                                               
experience on  the airport planning commission  revealed that the                                                               
Ted Stevens  Anchorage International Airport  is out of  room for                                                               
air  freight,   and  expansion  to   Port  MacKenzie   for  water                                                               
transportation  and   rail  would  complete   the  transportation                                                               
systems of water,  rail, and air.   Representative Tuck expressed                                                               
his enthusiasm for the project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:19:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL  METZ PhD,  DIC, P.G.,  Director, Mineral  Industry Research                                                               
Laboratory,   University  of   Alaska  Fairbanks,   informed  the                                                               
committee he  was the principal  investigator on  the feasibility                                                               
studies for  the rail extension  from Eielson to  Delta Junction,                                                               
and for the extension of the  ARR to the Canadian rail system and                                                               
the  contiguous states.   Dr.  Metz said  he would  emphasize two                                                               
points; an  overview of  how the  mineral freight  forecasts were                                                               
developed, and  that this  project is part  of a  large statewide                                                               
system  and  is  not  "simply  a Mat-Su  Borough  project."    An                                                               
examination  of  the  extension must  first  determine  what  the                                                               
railroad  will haul.   Railroads  carry heavy  freight, minerals,                                                               
concentrates,  grains,  and  heavy   machinery,  and  Alaska  has                                                               
enormous  mineral  and energy  resources  with  the potential  to                                                               
supply much of  the mineral and energy needs of  the U.S. and the                                                               
Pacific  Rim.   The  vision  of  the  rail  extension is  to  tie                                                               
Fairbanks with  the industrial center of  North America; however,                                                               
to  provide that  system ARR  must connect  efficiently with  the                                                               
deep water port at Port MacKenzie.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. METZ  presented slide 4  from a presentation  titled "Mineral                                                               
Occurrences  and  Potential Sources  of  Freight  for the  Alaska                                                               
Railroad Extensions-Port MacKenzie to  the Canadian Border," that                                                               
indicated  every  American  born  needs  3.7  million  pounds  of                                                               
minerals, metals, and fuels in  their lifetime.  He observed that                                                               
the  primary benefit  of resource  development  is the  resources                                                               
consumed  for   survival;  the  secondary  benefit   is  revenue.                                                               
Regarding  the  freight estimates  on  the  rail connection  from                                                               
Point  MacKenzie  to the  ARR  mainline  and  on through  to  the                                                               
Canadian border, he  stated that the study is based  on data that                                                               
has been  compiled by the  U.S. Geological Survey (USGS)  and the                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR) Division of  Geological &                                                               
Geophysical Surveys.   Furthermore,  mineral deposit  models used                                                               
for the  freight forecasts  are developed by  the USGS  with data                                                               
compiled  from mineral  occurrences worldwide.   Mineral  deposit                                                               
types  were  then  examined for  their  economic  feasibility  in                                                               
Alaska under  current price  levels and  the cost  of production.                                                               
The  USGS database  includes about  7,500 mineral  occurrences in                                                               
Alaska and a  similar number in Yukon and  British Columbia along                                                               
the  proposed rail  route.   Dr.  Metz opined  that  some of  the                                                               
aforementioned   resources  would   go  to   tidewater  at   Port                                                               
MacKenzie,  to  tidewater  at  Skagway,   or  to  Chicago.    The                                                               
discussion of mineral sources must  include quality and quantity;                                                               
in fact,  quality and quantity  determine the economics,  and the                                                               
price of  production.  Except  for precious metals, the  big cost                                                               
of  production  for  most metals  is  transportation.    Products                                                               
produced from mines are "low  unit value products" that cannot be                                                               
hauled on  trucks but  have to go  on rail to  ships and  then to                                                               
market as quickly as possible.   For example, he displayed slides                                                               
7  and 8  that  were data  curves for  the  relationships of  the                                                               
quality  of  resource  for molybdenum  deposits  similar  to  the                                                               
molybdenum,  copper,  and gold  deposits  found  at the  proposed                                                               
Pebble Mine  project.  Dr.  Metz stated that his  report examined                                                               
the relationships between quantity and  quality and looked at the                                                               
probabilities  of  the  mineral  occurrences  being  economic  at                                                               
current price levels  and under existing cost  conditions.  Slide                                                               
10 displayed  the various  cost parameters  such as  mine capital                                                               
and operating  cost, infrastructure  cost, and  revenue estimates                                                               
based on a 10 percent rate of return on capital.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE asked whether  the mineral occurrences are                                                               
located  within  reasonable  distances  from  the  proposed  rail                                                               
corridor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:28:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. METZ stated  that the occurrences are within a  100 mile wide                                                               
corridor  of  the proposed  route,  so  some  are distant.    For                                                               
example, the  Fort Knox deposit is  right on the road  system and                                                               
near a  source of power.   The Pogo Mine  is further away  from a                                                               
source of power,  but it is a very high  grade deposit; thus this                                                               
combination  of  quality  and  quantity  of  ore  determines  the                                                               
economics.    He displayed  slide  11  that indicated  887  known                                                               
mineral occurrences  found along  the proposed 100  mile corridor                                                               
between Port MacKenzie  and the Canadian border.   He opined that                                                               
because  the report  forecasts  are made  on  the probability  of                                                               
known occurrences, they are conservative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:30:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS passed the gavel to Senator Menard.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  METZ said  the  known occurrences  in  the corridor  include                                                               
almost all  of the  mineral commodities  consumed in  the nation.                                                               
He pointed out  the price data displayed on slide  15 is complied                                                               
as  of January  2007;  actually, price  levels  today average  20                                                               
percent  higher.   He anticipated  that prices  will continue  to                                                               
rise with  the rise  of the  economies of  China and  India, "way                                                               
beyond  the  price levels  that  we  saw  over the  last  several                                                               
years."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD returned the gavel to Chair Ramras.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. METZ  displayed slide  17 and stressed  that his  report also                                                               
used  very   conservative  estimates   of  probability   for  the                                                               
development of known  mineral occurrences.  Slide  18 showed that                                                               
the  expected  tonnage at  50  percentile  tonnage and  grade  is                                                               
11,000,000 tons per year for  100 years, and the expected tonnage                                                               
at 90  percentile tonnage and  grade is 26,000,000 tons  per year                                                               
for 100 years.   He added that the expected  gross metal value of                                                               
each is  related to the  contribution of resource  development to                                                               
communities and to the state.   For example, slide 19 showed that                                                               
the  economic  benefit  of  the  Fort  Knox  Mine,  in  salaries,                                                               
supplies, secondary  income effects, and taxes,  was estimated to                                                               
be $100 million  per year to the Fairbanks North  Star Borough in                                                               
1999.   Furthermore,  over its  12-year expected  life span,  the                                                               
mine  is returning  to Fairbanks  its entire  gross metal  value.                                                               
Dr. Metz  concluded that  his 2007 estimate  for the  gross metal                                                               
value of resource developments along  the proposed rail route was                                                               
about $83 billion.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:35:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS asked  Dr. Metz  to offer  his presentation  to the                                                               
resource committees  of both legislative bodies,  and highlighted                                                               
the statistics  that indicate a  100 percent return on  the value                                                               
of minerals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:36:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  encouraged  efforts to  get  information                                                               
from the presentation to the governor or his staff.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:38:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  COLT,  Associate  Professor of  Economics,  University  of                                                               
Alaska Anchorage (UAA) Institute  of Social and Economic Research                                                               
(ISER),  emphasized  that  one  of the  main  points  of  today's                                                               
presentations is  that Alaska has an  integrated regional economy                                                               
extending from  throughout Southcentral, the Interior,  and up to                                                               
Fairbanks.   Dr. Colt  pointed out  one interesting  benefit that                                                               
has  not  been presented  previously  is  the estimation  of  the                                                               
reduction  of the  traffic in  the Palmer  Wasilla corridor.   In                                                               
fact,  22,000 train  crossings at  Pittman Road  and other  roads                                                               
could be  avoided by the  extension, thereby saving  motorists up                                                               
to 64,000  vehicle-hours of  waiting time  between now  and 2061.                                                               
He reviewed  other transportation benefits of  the rail extension                                                               
to  Port MacKenzie.    Slide ES-2  from  the presentation  titled                                                               
"Benefit-Cost Assessment  of the Port MacKenzie  Rail Extension,"                                                               
revealed  the  diversity of  the  sources  of the  transportation                                                               
benefits,  showing  that  the  savings come  not  only  from  the                                                               
shipping  of the  gas  pipeline  pipe, but  from  savings on  the                                                               
shipping of  other materials.   Dr. Colt said another  point that                                                               
has not  yet been  emphasized is  the increase  in jobs  from the                                                               
"build-out" of the industrial land  at Port MacKenzie which, with                                                               
the ferry  connection, allows Anchorage  to share in  the benefit                                                               
of jobs from that development.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:43:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. COLT confirmed  that the estimates for  royalties, taxes, and                                                               
mining license  fees are  from Dr.  Metz's detailed  mine models,                                                               
including what  would go  to the  state under  existing statutory                                                               
formulas.   He opined a  great deal of work  was done to  get the                                                               
number "accurate and not be leading anybody on."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  pointed out that  the completion of the  project in                                                               
2056 would almost coincide with Alaska's centennial.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. COLT  expressed his  understanding that  the analysis  is cut                                                               
off at  2056 because that  is the  time the three  mines examined                                                               
may  cease operations.   He  then turned  to the  subject of  the                                                               
location  of the  jobs resulting  from the  development of  three                                                               
large mines  and a  cement and limestone  operation.   During the                                                               
initial  development there  would  be billions  of dollars  going                                                               
into  the economy  and Dr.  Colt's  task was  to determine  where                                                               
those dollars  would go, particularly  in the  Anchorage economy.                                                               
He pointed out  that the jobs, not necessarily  in Anchorage, but                                                               
likely held  by Anchorage residents,  would accrue to  almost all                                                               
sectors  of the  economy, including  direct jobs  in mining,  and                                                               
indirect jobs resulting  from purchases of goods  and services to                                                               
support the mining  operations.  Over time,  the estimated number                                                               
of  jobs  grows  to  over  2,000  held  by  Anchorage  residents;                                                               
moreover, many  of the indirect  jobs are in good  paying sectors                                                               
such  as information  technology,  law, banking,  and other  high                                                               
quality jobs  that are associated  with developing and  running a                                                               
major world-class mineral deposit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:50:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE PERKINS  informed the committee  he is a  former commissioner                                                               
of the Department of Transportation  & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                               
during  the Knowles'  Administration and  is presently  assisting                                                               
the Mat-Su  Borough with  the development  of the  rail extension                                                               
project.  He described his  early experience in Alaska and opined                                                               
that  more than  any  other transportation  capital project,  the                                                               
construction  of   the  George  Parks  Highway   (Parks  Highway)                                                               
contributed  immensely to  the economy  of the  Railbelt and  the                                                               
state.  Since  that time, other transportation  projects have had                                                               
an impact  on local  and regional  economies, but  not statewide.                                                               
He then spoke  of the need to diversify the  economy of the state                                                               
and noted that little has been  done in this regard.  Mr. Perkins                                                               
stated   that   economic   development    is   dependent   on   a                                                               
transportation  infrastructure being  in  place  to support  that                                                               
development.   For example, a major  cost to the Red  Dog Mine is                                                               
transportation.  He  said the needed infrastructure  in Alaska is                                                               
not in  place to  support economic  development and  to diversify                                                               
the  economy,  create  jobs,  and  enhance  economic  development                                                               
opportunities,  the  state must  participate  in  the process  by                                                               
providing  infrastructure  to support  development,  particularly                                                               
resource development.   A project that will  provide great future                                                               
economic benefits is the rail  extension from the ARR mainline to                                                               
Port  MacKenzie.    This  extension   would  solve  the  economic                                                               
transportation  problem   and  assist  in   resource  development                                                               
throughout the  Railbelt.   Funded by  legislative appropriations                                                               
totaling  $27.5 million,  the  ARR and  the  Mat-Su Borough  have                                                               
cooperated on this  project for three years.   Mr. Perkins listed                                                               
the accomplishments  of the project  to this date and  noted that                                                               
if the  funding request is  granted, a construction  contract for                                                               
the  first ten  miles of  the extension  could be  bid late  this                                                               
summer,  and the  design  for  the rest  of  the  route could  be                                                               
completed.  Mr.  Perkins summarized that the  development of Port                                                               
MacKenzie would provide a large  scale economic benefit to all of                                                               
Alaska; therefore,  the state should make  the funding available,                                                               
because  as  the  opening  of the  Parks  Highway  supported  the                                                               
construction  of  TAPS,  the rail  extension  would  support  the                                                               
construction of a gas pipeline.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:58:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE expressed his  appreciation to Mr. Perkins                                                               
for the work he has done for Alaska and the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:00:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked how former  Governor Hickle's  plan to                                                               
build a railroad to Russia would affect the economy of Alaska.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:01:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS observed  a railroad would be good  to have; however,                                                               
crossing the terrain would be very difficult.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:01:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  TALERICO,  Mayor,  Denali  Borough,  expressed  his  strong                                                               
support for the rail extension to  Port MacKenzie.  He opined the                                                               
project is  one of  the most  important major  long-term economic                                                               
benefits to  pursue for the  Mat-Su Borough, the  Denali Borough,                                                               
all  of the  communities in  the Interior,  and the  state.   The                                                               
region's  bulk natural  resource development  has an  "incredible                                                               
future for us"  and is important for the economy  and the future.                                                               
He said  he was calling from  Healy and if the  rail extension to                                                               
Port MacKenzie is completed, Healy  would be about 225 miles away                                                               
from tidewater,  about 253 miles  away from Anchorage,  and about                                                               
377 miles away  from Seward.  Mr. Talerico recalled  his visit to                                                               
Port  MacKenzie and  spoke  of the  opportunities  to move  coal,                                                               
timber, gravel,  limestone, oil,  and gas that  will open  up the                                                               
Pacific Rim  and serve Alaskan  coastal communities as well.   He                                                               
expressed  his excitement  at the  potential for  long-term, good                                                               
jobs  for  residents  and  was  particularly  interested  in  the                                                               
discussion  about cement.   He  related  that in  2008, the  U.S.                                                               
imported  more than  11  million metric  tons of  cement.   On  a                                                               
national scale,  it is important  for Alaska to  provide products                                                               
for  North  America  rather  than  imports  from  overseas.    In                                                               
conclusion, he stated  that the Denali Borough  Assembly passed a                                                               
resolution  in support  of  the project;  in  fact, this  project                                                               
ranks  in  the top  three  of  the infrastructure  projects  that                                                               
should be done.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:05:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB  LACKER,  Vice  President,  Business  Development,  CH2MHILL,                                                               
informed the committee that the  rail extension is of interest to                                                               
CH2MHILL because they  are modular fabricators for  large oil and                                                               
gas operations on the North  Slope.  CH2MHILL also builds modules                                                               
for mining  projects around  the state, most  notably at  the Red                                                               
Dog Mine where it built and  installed nearly all of the modules.                                                               
Mr.  Lacker  explained that  the  fabrication  shop in  Anchorage                                                               
produces  "truckable" modules  that are  between 20-115  tons and                                                               
that could be built at Port  MacKenzie since the shortage of land                                                               
and high prices make Anchorage  "a tougher place to do business."                                                               
He noted that as his company  searches the state for locations to                                                               
build modules and  service the oil industry,  the availability of                                                               
labor eliminates  possible locations such as  Seward, Valdez, and                                                               
Kenai;  however,  Mat-Su  and  Anchorage  are  areas  that  could                                                               
provide  the necessary  labor.   He  said his  company sees  Port                                                               
MacKenzie  as the  only possible  solution to  a vigorous  module                                                               
fabrication business  for CH2MHILL  as it  could move  modules to                                                               
the north  and ship materials  from Fairbanks; in fact,  the rail                                                               
spur is  the last piece  missing from the infrastructure  at Port                                                               
MacKenzie.   Mr. Lacker  called the project  a tipping  point for                                                               
companies that have current opportunities  arising in the next 36                                                               
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:09:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  encouraged  members  of the  committee  and  other                                                               
legislators to  continue reach out  to other committees  so these                                                               
presentations  can get  a  second  and third  hearing.   He  also                                                               
encouraged the presenters to contact other committee chairs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:11:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD gave credit to Jody Simpson who was in attendance                                                                
representing Senator Charlie Huggins.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Economic Development, International Trade                                                                  
and Tourism meeting was adjourned at 7:12 p.m.                                                                                  

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